Here are some extracts from Atheist/Christian Apologist arguments debates.
So, how do you explain the empty tomb of Christ and the 500 witnesses to His post-death appearances?
I’d explain it the same way I’d explain Harry Potter waving a non-existent wand, and shouting ‘Petronus!’ Somebody wrote it down, who hoped that you’d buy into it.
The odds of Life arising spontaneously, are 1 with 41,000 zeroes behind it.
It didn’t have to go all the way to the last zero to be successful. It might have happened on the first – or the tenth – or the thousandth time. And all the attempts need not be sequential. In Earth’s reported early ages, the chemical soup in the oceans was thick, and there were tens of thousands of lightning strikes PER DAY, which might have catalyzed primitive life.
Question: Was there ever a time when there was no chemical soup, no oceans, no lightning strikes or electricity, no Earth?
Yes. What’s your point?
Was there ever a time when there was no chemical soup, no oceans, no lightning strikes or electricity, no Earth?
(Well, that certainly clarifies that! 😛 )
In the beginning, if the scientific and mathematical evidence is valid, 13.8 Billion years ago, ‘The Big Bang’ allowed a hyper-dense singularity, containing all matter, to expand and become the Universe of today.
If geological research is correct, the Earth came into existence about 4.5 billion years ago. This leaves over 9 Billion years in-between, twice the time that the Earth has existed, when stars were born and died. Some exploded into novas, and super-novas, fusing hydrogen and helium into the heavier and heavier elements necessary for the rise of life. Eventually gravitational tides caused some of it to agglomerate, and coalesce into our galaxy, our sun, our solar system, our planet.
Even then, it took over a billion years for the Earth to cool enough to allow the existence of liquid water, and the chemical soup that life was spurred from. Yes, once upon a time – actually, for a really long time – there was no Earth, no oceans, no soup, no lightning, no life. So what??! There is also no proof – no vague indication – that the butler God did it.
I think I answered this (a claim that Atheists can’t be happy without God) in my final paragraph in the article, for those who believe in Genesis 1:1; it’s the verse that divides. I actually think you’d agree with that statement.
Actually, I don’t agree with it, because, actually, you didn’t ’answer’ it. You made a statement – an unproven claim – which buttresses your opinions, ignoring the statements of Atheists. This is merely the first of dozens – hundreds – of verses which divide, not merely Christians from Atheists, but often one sect of Christians from the rest. I have a file with 23 pages of examples of mistakes and contradictions in the Bible. One verse says one thing, and a page or two later, another verse says something entirely different.
There’s no compelling reason for another atheist to adopt your moral imperative as their own, and many don’t. If no God created, then why should they have to? Yours is no doubt better for your neighbours than some of the things other atheists have adopted, and it may be better in practice than some who claim to be Christians do. But still, it comes back to the fact that you are the one who has decided it, and it has no answer for death. You are supreme while you are alive but you will submit to death, so your supremacy is limited. Death is supreme for you — you claim supremacy now, but you know it is only temporary.
I realize that it makes you feel better to phrase statements like this, in a way that reinforces your stance and beliefs. Of course there is no compelling reason for anyone to accept my beliefs except me. Each person should be free within their own mind. There need be no imperative. There is no dogma among Atheists, as there is in Christian churches. This whole statement seriously disturbs me. People who compel others are – at best, bullies – at worst, criminals.
This appetite for compulsion and competition is worrying. Life is not a game, to be lost or won. Rather, we all should do the best we can with what we have. I make no claim of supremacy, whether over Death, or anyone else, and I have no answer for Death. It is inevitable. Life, indeed, is temporary. Make the most of it that you can, while you have it. Don’t wait for God to (maybe) iron out your wrinkles, once you’re gone. 😳
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BTW:
I just had an epiphany. Atheists are allowed to have them. While I was getting the above post ready to publish, I heard (All Christmas – All The Time) The Little Drummer Boy song. For years, it has drifted in one ear and out the other, with no thought. Suddenly, I realized what is being unwittingly portrayed.
“A Little Drummer Boy is not just some kid in an elementary school band. A drummer boy is the child, trained to beat out the cadences for ancient armies. The bugler conveyed the orders to march, attack, retreat, wheel left, etc. The drummer boy set the pace for thousands of men to kill and maim each other.
It is disturbing that this song shows him displaying his martial abilities…. to the Prince of Peace. 👿
Even other Christians are disturbed at a new trend this Christmas. More and more ‘Good Christians’ are adding crosses to their Nativity scenes. There are two, very different stories within the New Testament. One is about the birth of the Christ child. The other is about the death of the Messiah. They should not be confused for one another. This just seems to say, “Open your eyes, kid. See what they have in store for you.” 😯
You wrote, “Rather, we all should do the best we can with what we have.” That much is the truth. Happy December 25th to you, Archon. Peace be with you and your family.
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Many secular thanx and blessings to you, also. 😀
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Maybe they are adding crosses to the Nativity scene as a premonition of what will come
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Probably so, but it is unsurprising, yet unacceptable, that so many ‘Good Christians,’ especially in the USA Bible Belt, have no real idea what their Bible actually says, and what the tenets of their religion truly are. 😳
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I think to many, the nativity scene is incomplete without the cross which is crazy
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It’s All crazy, but they do get some upset when you say that. 😦
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To say they are crazy would not be politically correct
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Ha. Premonitions are evil, according to them. I believe the word you’re looking for is prophecy? Sorry, I had to.
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Thank you and happy holidays
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So, prophecies are good, but premonitions are bad?? Or is it that they do holy prophecies…. and we merely have evil premonitions?? That’s a new one to me. I try to keep up with the psychiatry of religion, but…. 😳 Sigmund Freud must be spinning in his Jewish grave. 😯
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The Christians I knew were happy to call a premonition from a tarot reading something evil, yet in the second breath praise someone with the “Gift” of Prophecy. Kind of sounds like talking out both sides of their ends.
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“The odds of Life arising spontaneously, are 1 with 41,000 zeroes behind it.”
I’d say….show your working.
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You need not do any actual research. Just have faith, and believe what some well-intentioned person tells you…. the way that they learned. 🙄
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Well intentioned is not the same as true.
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It’s difficult to have faith in unreliable sources.
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I’d say, “show yours.” There is no proof of anyone ever having been raised from the dead, especially after three days in a tomb. Seriously, how do intelligent people believe this, much less try to defend it.
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Seriously, how do intelligent people believe this, much less try to defend it.
There have been dozens – perhaps hundreds – of books written, trying to explain these. How boils down to Cognitive Dissonance, the ability to compartmentalize their minds, to simultaneously believe two totally opposite views. It is somewhat like having multiple personalities. See: Mental Illness
Why boils down to egotism and insecurity. They struggle to assure themselves that they are far too important in the Cosmic scheme of things, to simply wink out of existence after death. Their religion teaches them that they must have faith to reach the Kingdom of Heaven. Any comment or opinion which might weaken that faith must be repelled. The more insecure any individual is, the more fierce and strident is the counter-attack. 😳
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I kept taunting for this omnipresent being to do the same, at the three day expiration date and well past. The answer was always, “Nope”.
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May I ask where you saw the crosses with the Nativity Scene? Was it at churches or private homes? Just curious because I haven’t seen any where I live but I want to be more on the look out. Maybe I just didn’t notice. So odd…
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I have not seen any cross/nativity combos, myself, but I kept running into claims and comments on Atheist blog-sites, over the last couple of weeks. 4 or 5 said that they’d actually seen them, and another half-dozen commented that they’d read other posts that mentioned it. 😯
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Interesting. I’ll have to look into it some more.
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