There are no objective morals, but there are ethics that work well with civilization and we should follow them for our benefit and the benefit of others.
So, your argument is that there are no objective moral standards, that we each conduct ourselves according to our own desires at the moment. Presumably you want people to treat others with respect, the way you do, right? Why should anyone do that?
Let’s ignore “morality”, because it’s a concept invented by the religious, particularly, recently, by the American ‘Christians,’ but about the specifics of which, no two Christian groups totally agree with each other, and go with the Secular Humanist concept of The Greatest Good For The Greatest Number, which benefits the individual, their society, and the human race at large, and which is empathetically NOT according to our own desires at the moment. If you don’t want the greatest good for the greatest number I don’t even want to know why not, just a previous warning. If you want to know if slavery is immoral – ask a slave.
What an original thought! The dictatorship of the wise and just majority. The majority won’t enslave anyone. That’s never happened before.
Yep! We will just declare the majority our god and take a poll every time we need to make a decision about anything.
Do Secular Humanists agree about everything? Does any large group of people? Would it not be a miracle if they did? Would it be a good miracle? Without some sort of basis for judging the matter, how would we know? Because everyone is in agreement? Would that be it? I can explain why something is right and why something is wrong. Do you have an answer? Nope! All you do is make unsupported assertions.
Oh dear!! You do seem to expend considerable time and energy, putting words into other people’s mouths. Us ignorant Atheists, Agnostics, Humanists, and Secularists don’t declare anything to be God(like). There is no compulsion – which far too many Christians ignore, anyway – but you are expected to think for yourself to make informed self-interest decisions.
Perhaps you have heard of Secular Humanism under its other name – Representative Democracy and Rule of Law. It is the absolutely worst system of governance – except for every other one. You might give it a try. A few minor, unimportant World Nations have, and surprisingly, it seems to work.
This is where the populace selects wise and capable leaders. They tell them what they want their country to look and act like. They trust their elected officials to deal with the BIG moral issues, like assault, theft, and murder. They know that the legislature will enact laws to forbid certain acts and actions, and provide penalties for those who do. That way there’s no need for a referendum for every moral decision. The answer to the basis of right and wrong, is mutually-agreed-on enacted laws.
Sadly, far too many Good Christians fail to join in. They clog up divorce courts, rehabilitation clinics, and prisons. Per capita, there are ten times as many Christians in penitentiaries, than Atheists. In States like California, Nevada, New Mexico, and Texas, every second inmate is named Jesus.
This then leaves individuals free to personally judge the finer moral points, like…. Should my bodily autonomy be violated, and I’m forced to carry a fetus to full term, if I’m told that I must, by a priest with no ovaries, or wife who has them??
Should I hate fags and homos, if ordered to do so by a priest/preacher who is raping altar boys??
Should I take marriage advice from an unmarried priest??
Should a priest (Who isn’t supposed to be having sex) be allowed to dictate how, when, how often, what position, whom I may – and may not – have sex with??
Why do you look at the mote that is thy brother’s eye, but do not see the plank that is in thine own eye? 👿