A Christian Apologist shut his mouth, and in doing so, (almost) shut mine. I found him under the above title, making claims like
Either (1) an infinite and eternal consciousness called God chose to create our universe with a purpose… OR! (2) Our universe randomly appeared out of an infinite and eternal nothingness by itself for absolutely no reason at all. These are the only two reasonable options.
I left him a response that he apparently did not like. He posed another question, but I could see that he wouldn’t like the answer to it either, and it would cease being a comment, and become a blog-post of its own. I went back in my ‘notifications’ to pick up the beginning, but he had disappeared. I accessed his post, and found that he had disabled all comments. I did not realize that him doing that erased all existing comments on my site. The following first bit is from fading memory.
Neither of your options is reasonable, and you limit your argument by claiming that there can only be two. A little thought and research would show that there are more then that. (1) You have not proved that “God” created the Universe, or that there is/was a purpose. (2) Your random appearance from nothing, for no reason claim is so highly unlikely that no reputable astrophysicist would espouse it.
Can you provide any other scenarios? Either there is purpose, or there isn’t.
This is what he missed.
Imagine a race of spaceless, timeless beings. One of them, the equivalent of an eight-year-old boy, possesses the singularity which will become our Universe. Perhaps it is a function of the non-space where he exists, that it occasionally spits out singularities. Perhaps he found and kept it, like a fossil – or perhaps it’s a toy that his kindly uncle made for him. He’s been told to keep it safe on a shelf, but accidentally knocks it off, and it falls to the floor and opens up into our known Universe.
Forget about those possibilities, and let our little extra-dimensional kid grow up a bit.
Now he needs a project, like a volcano, for science class. He decides to build a little mathematical model to demonstrate the laws of physics within material matter. As he is winding it up, he gets a little goo from a non-material pseudopod on it, and one of the perfect orbs develops life on its surface, like mold.
In the first scenario, the entity which caused our Universe to exist, was not the Creator. There was no ‘Choice.’ There was no purpose! In fact, it was an unintentional accident. The Instigator can hardly be regarded as “God.”
In the second scenario, the Creator, and the Instigator, are the same Astral Squid – which still doesn’t qualify as “God.” The act of creation, and the resulting Universe, are both intentional, but the creation of life – Us – has no purpose. In fact, if the Nebulous Nerd knew that his science project was contaminated, he/she/it/they might want to polish the planet clean…. Oh, wait, that Noah flood wasn’t rain; it was Poly-dimensional Purell.
Well, now, the question should be: out of these two equally-weird explanations, which one is best supported by evidence, logic, and reason? Which one is more Possible, Plausible, and Probable? Which one is most believable?
Actually, the question is: which of these two equally-weird pairs of explanations is best supported by evidence, logic, and reason? Which one is more Possible, Plausible, and Probable? Which one is most believable?
I know that most Apologetics would dismiss my hypotheses as childish, but they both are as probable – likely more so – than either of his restrictive offerings. If a rank amateur like me can easily come up with two alternatives, surely intelligent, educated scientists can come up with more, and better.