Walk This Way

We all do it, to some extent.  Christians do it more than Atheists.  What is IT??!

“IT” is to assume that other people think, feel, and act just like you do.

It is like comparing British English to American English.  The words are the same, but the conclusions they reach and the information they convey, are vastly different.  I think that I felt it, but I had it clearly pointed out to me by a young, Atheist YouTuber.

He had been raised as a fervent, evangelical Catholic.  In his teens, he began to question!!  By twenty, he admitted that he had become an Atheist.  His Bible-thumper Mother was appalled, and tried to lure/force him back.

First, she accused him of “Just blindly believing what those Atheist books say.”because she blindly believed in a book.  He explained that he had not read most of the books she was worried about, and the couple that he had, he had not read until after he had declared himself an Atheist.

While he had not read the evil Atheist books, and had arrived at his position through years of careful study and research, she then accused him of just unquestioningly accepting the non-religious claims of Atheists who establish themselves in authority – because she unquestioningly accepts the self-declared authority of The Catholic Church.

I recently listened to a Christian apologist try to wiggle out from under an Atheist complaint about the Christian concept of infinite punishment in Hell, for the finite crime of not believing.  His justification was that, the infinite punishment was not for merely not believing, but that Atheists die, and go to be judged, and are cast into Hell, and the infinite punishment is because, even in Hell, they continue to ‘deny God.’

I find this apologist scenario preposterous.  Any Atheist who dies, expecting to just fade out, who finds his spirit, his soul, his consciousness, his personality, still coherent and miraculously transported to Heaven, faces God, is condemned to Hell, and who is suffering horrible tortures – would admit to observed reality and accepted truth – not petulantly continue to ‘deny God,’ whatever that means.  But the Christian apologist believes that the Atheist would – because he would!

Frank Turek, a Christian debater, whose slick, used-car-salesman face beams down from the top of this post, was asked if there was any information or argument that might make him change his mind.  He responded with a Bible verse which orders the loyal to reject anything which might cause them to doubt.  No matter how reliable, proven, or convincing the facts and evidence are, Turek and his ilk will simply deny it!  😳

To even try for a non-believer to have a discussion with a Christian about morals/morality, seems doomed to failure.  It will not become a debate or a conversation.  It is like two solitudes, shouting past each other.

The Christian will allege that there are Objective Morals, things which are good or evil, whether or not people exist.  Without any evidence that either of them exists, they claim that God defines and enforces morals, despite the fact that great swathes of Good Christians disregard and disobey them, filling prisons, divorce courts and rehab facilities.

The very words morals, and morality have been hijacked by Christian debaters.  Like sin, they are something that their God wants mankind to do, or not do.  Atheists have ethics, and evolution-induced empathy.  If Atheists can get Christians to agree that reduction of harm and increase in happiness and wellbeing is an acceptable subjective basis, then we have Objective Atheist Morals, and all without God.


23 thoughts on “Walk This Way

  1. RaPaR says:

    Perish the thought! Morals with out (gulp!) god? How can it be?

    Although I do have a laugh over this since the whole god idea is a man-made construct so doesn’t that then make the entire moral/morality issue ALSO man made? Some ancient desert dweller writing a book and throws in a list of “Do’s & Don’ts” and they end up getting attributed to a god. Now, THAT’s funny!


  2. Jim Wheeler says:

    When I was a church-goer, group prayers confessing sin always bothered me because I hadn’t sinned. Heck, I even avoid stepping on bugs! My wife, raised Catholic, used to make up sins to tell the priest when she came of age and started confessions. I believe that morals and empathy are naturally a part of most human beings.

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  3. Newbloggycat says:

    ‘The very words morals, and morality have been hijacked by Christian debaters.’ Hell, yeah! 👻🙄😎


  4. shimoniac says:

    I wouldn’t compare him to a used car salesman, more like a MLM salesman. 😉😜

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    • Archon's Den says:

      Pyramid scheme, Ponzi scam – call it whatever you want. He was a non-believer for years, and then had a Come-To-Jesus epiphany. There’s nothing as irritating as an ex-anything. His beliefs may be real, but his arguments are often narrow-minded and lies. He is condescending, smarmy, and Holier-Than-Thou. I think that he was anointed with too much Holy oil. It still drips off. 😯


  5. I love the idea of having to have religion to have morals. I always lean on the Ten Commandments, via the Golden Rule, to make my point. I was raised without religion, yet here I am today, not having violated most of the Big Ten without having spent a day in church as a kid. Meanwhile, I watch dozens of powerful, Bible-thumping individuals literally burn the Yen Commandments to the ground while claiming to be holy. Try Saganism – don’t bother with Earthly religions, study science to find the true beauty and message of God in the world and universe around us. (Saganism is my term, but it works!) Remember, Einstein once said he didn’t study science to find God, he studied it to find out how God works.


    • Archon's Den says:

      If we remove all the claims and contradictions that can not be real, what is left – if it exists at all in reality – cannot be defined as God. 😛
      BTW: The first four commandments are from a needy, greedy, insecure, narcissistic being, who demands love, devotion, worship, and obedience. Thou shalt have no other gods before me is an admission that other gods exist, but that the one supposedly handing out the dos and don’ts, simply wants to be at the front of the parade. 😯

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      • Well… TECHNICALLY, when Christianity was starting out, there were LOTS of Gods running around – I mean, the Greeks alone had a god for just about everything! So the Christian God had to be OK with others (like the Roman gods, through whose empire Christianity spread), just that He had to be first. To push that today is kind of a dick move, since Jehovah is trying to claim superiority over Buddha, his own mirror-image Allah, and a bunch others including my personal favourite, the lead deity of Zoroastrians, named – are you ready for this? – Mazda. See, there really ARE car gods! 😀

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      • RaPaR says:

        Very true! I think the words at the creation “Let US make man in OUR own image” also speak to the fact that there were other gods present at the time.


  6. A thoughtful essay. I enjoyed reading all the comments and discussions too. I believe in the mystery of it all.


  7. Daniel Digby says:

    When I went to public schools in the dark ages, we learned objective morality on a daily basis with a bible reading of our choice and a prayer every morning. It was all voluntary. If you didn’t want to participate, you could visit with the principal. We had a mixed bag of people — Jews, Hindus, Muslims, an out-of-the-closet atheist, and a few Baptists and Pentecostals. And we were all enthusiastically anxious to learn all about Jesus.

    There were a few trouble-makers who would choose a passage from Song of Solomon (Song of Songs or Canticles if you prefer the Vulgate or Douay-Rheims versions) which, as you remember, describes a love for the Mother Church complete with her breasts and thighs. There was no end to great insights, like Genesis 38, Jesus and the fig tree, Jesus’s promise to give us all swords, and Exodus 34 (the only place in the entire KJV bible that is labeled as THE 10 commandments — verse 28). Everyone remembers the tenth commandment: “Thou shall not seethe a kid in its mother’s milk”. By midyear some of our teachers would ask if we cared to skip our turn at reading when it came up. We wouldn’t dream of missing our opportunity to spread God’s Word.

    Almost annually, some legislator wants to cure the world’s ills in Tennessee with a return to Bible reading and prayer in public schools. I’m afraid you can’t convince me that objective morality isn’t alive and well down here in the lower 48.

    On the other hand, I’ve heard all about the unanimous Atheist Doctrine. It seems to strongly resemble the Gay Agenda. It’s curious that Christians can’t seem to agree on much of anything, but Atheists march in lockstep. How do you explain it?


  8. “Fundamentalism means never having to open your mind” goes the saying. Religious belief, even the more “liberal” religious beliefs, still require ignorance and close-mindedness.


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