Cosmic Justice

A woman told Matt Dillahunty, “I believe in the Christian God, because I don’t want to live in a world where those with power impose their evil intent on the masses and not face any type of consequence.  Without God, people can easily escape human justice.”

Dillahunty replied:  I don’t buy into that.  She also raised the point that someone had mentioned pedophile priests, and being a pedophile is immoral, but they can escape from human justice, therefore, God’s justice is eventually gonna get them.

“What kind of world do you live in, if this is your principal objection to world views that don’t include some cosmic justice in them??  If you’ll excuse the condescending remark, ‘You don’t know what you’re talking about.’  Life isn’t fair, and the desire for justice that you talk about, is one of the key foundations of most every religion.

We’re all aware that sometimes Good goes unrewarded, and Evil goes unpunished, so some justice-seekers invent a security blanket to insure that they aren’t mired in depression.  It allows them to avoid facing the harshness of an indifferent reality, whether it’s Heaven, or Hell, or Karma, dictating infinite rebirths.  It serves the same purpose.

Some of us realize that there’s no good reason to believe that the Universe is anything other than indifferent to our existence and our perceptions of good and evil, and that dealing with Reality on Reality’s terms is the only way to make any real improvement in the situation.

Life isn’t fair, and that’s actually comforting if you think about it.  If Life were fair, it would mean that you actually deserve the bad things that happen to you, and that those who benefit from evil deeds similarly deserve.  The knowledge that there is no reason to expect justice is the reason that we ensure that we impose justice.

The realization that good is not always rewarded, is what drives us to reward it when we see it.  The realization that evil is not always punished is what drives us to work together as a co-operative society to deal with our problems collectively and individually, in a way that drives real change, and minimizes harmful actions.

Realizing that justice is not guaranteed allows us to appreciate it when it happens, and work toward causing it to happen on a more regular basis.  Your particular God-view of justice represents the height of irresponsibility and injustice.  Your chosen religion has us born as reprobates, guilty before we’ve taken a single breath, responsible for things we’ve never done.  It offers instant, undeserved forgiveness for the most horrible of crimes, and punishes those whose only crime is disbelief, forever!

It advocates slavery, denigrates women, curses homosexuals, orders the stoning of unruly children, sanctions wars of extermination, condones human sacrifices, and poisons every mind it touches.  It includes only one unforgivable crime – disbelief.  Is that just??  This justice that you so admire is no such thing.  It is divine edict.  It’s arbitrary, capricious, and ultimately unjust and immoral.

Yes, I realize that there are pedophiles out there, who’ve escaped our flawed justice system.  Do you realize that your system says that they are all eligible for an eternal paradise??  How does that address your objection?  Under the rules of Christianity, the pedophile who escapes justice here, can also escape your ultimate justice.  He may spend eternity in paradise, while someone who spent their entire life doing good, helping others, and contributing in a generally positive way to the one and only life that we’re sure to get, ultimately is judged unworthy of that reward.

Don’t kid yourself.  You haven’t accepted a comic sense of justice that alleviates the problem.  You’ve accepted one that you believe alleviates the problem –for you.  It is a selfish justification that shows no regard for real matters of justice.  It is the height of arrogance, and your desire to feel special, because somebody up there thinks you’re special.

Well, according to the paradigm you advocate, He thinks that anyone willing to worship him is special, with no regard to justice or character.  Go!  Read Romans.  No-one makes this point clearer than Paul.  The Law was established with full knowledge that no-one would be able to fulfill it.  It was established to demonstrate this inability, and damn us further – and then a loophole was created to allow some people through, regardless of their standing with The Law.

Your religion has made you a slave.  It has made you uncaring.  It has made you support immorality and injustice, while claiming that arbitrary edicts and loopholes count as either.  It is a reprehensible lie, that poisons the mind, and prevents you from understanding reality.  When the scales drop away from your eyes, as they have for many of us, we’ll be here, and you’ll realize that you’re not alone, and not to blame.

Mean And Greedy Atheists

From a Q & A session following one of Christopher Hitchens’ lectures

Why do you want to take away something that provides comfort and support to 95% of the population, and replace it with something that provides comfort to only 5% of the population??

Well…. What an incredibly stupid question.
First, I have said repeatedly, this stuff cannot be taken away from people.  It is their favorite toy, and it will remain so for as long as we’re afraid of death.  Second, I hope I made it clear, that I’m perfectly happy for people to have these toys, and to play with them at home, and hug them to themselves, and to share them with others who come around.

That’s absolutely fine.  They are not to make me play with these toys.  I will not play with the toys.  Don’t bring the toys to my house.  Don’t say that my children must play with these toys.  I’m not allowing their toys.  I’m not having any of that.  Enough with clerical and religious bullying!  Is that finally clear??!  Have I got that across?

Fibbing Friday Kibbutz

Pensitivity101 borrowed these questions from a monthly newsletter she receives. Some may be familiar, but collective nouns are always fun.
But then, this is Fibbing Friday, so maybe they’re not………..

For what are these the collective nouns (or something else!)?

Murmuration

A coven of neighbourhood gossips.
Did you see the outfit that Sandra wore to the party??!  Not enough fabric to pin a For Rent sign on.  What kept her dress up?….  Local ordinance.  😳

2. Parliament
is a retirement home for unbeloved, over-the-hill politicians.  Boris Johnson recently moved into his room.  Even though they have Donald Trump wet-sheeted in his suite, he’s still trying to escape, vowing that he’ll run in ’24.  Justin Trudeau’s wife, Sophie Gregoire’s final official duty was to put Junior on the waiting list, before setting an example for the citizens of Canada, by abandoning him.

3. Unkindness
of Karens, especially when they’re running short on entitlement.

4. Gaggle

It’s the online listing of all your local organic, health-food restaurants.  Their few potential customers lose weight by being served food(?) that a hungry camel would retch on.

5. Bellowing
of Jan. 6, Trump supporters, with the Viking leading the choir.

6. a murder
of mystery writers

7. a skein
That’s the scabbard that I put my Scottish knife into.

8. a charm

Speaking of covens….  Now that – at least here in North America – Christianity has been kicked far enough back in a corner that no-one is being burned at the stake. White witches may meet in groups to more openly do what God has been given credit for.  Found your lost keys??  An ex-student at Hogwarts laid a charm.

9. a flamboyance

Any Ru-Paul, or Elton John, show.  Liberace is no longer with us.
10. a bevy

Of beauties…. especially young beauties!  The neighbour asked me if I liked bathing beauties??  I answered, “I don’t know!  None of them will let me bathe them.”  😛   Now, that’s good, clean fun.  😎

Gods Of Asphalt

As a tribute to an online author friend, I’ve appropriated one of her book titles to describe one of my afternoon road adventures.

I left the daughter’s place, and headed for the Costco at the edge of town, to get gas.  I turned off the north-bound avenue, onto the west-bound one that will take me there.  A block ahead, a little Toyota Yaris is marooned at a red light.  I pull up beside him.

I was never much one for street drag-racing.  A 78-year-old man in a Kia Sorrento is not really the right equipment.  Still, I have good situational awareness.  When the light turns green, I do not linger long.  I was quickly a hundred yards ahead of him, watching him in my mirrors.  Soon, I could not only see him gaining on me, I could hear him.  Braaapp…. Braaapp!…. Braaappp!

It’s a standard – a manual transmission, with a gear-shift.  That’s rare.  I’m doing 70 in a 60 limit zone.  He passes me like I’m standing still, and races ahead, just in time to get caught at the next red light, where a street tees-in from the right.  Ahead of me in the center lane, is a single SUV.  Theoretically he should go straight ahead, but he’s got his left blinker on.  Just past the light, is a service-station.  He also wants fuel, but he’s going to be stranded out there until all the oncoming traffic, backed up at the light, clears.  I pull over behind the Yaris.

He pays attention to the traffic light on the cross-street.  When it turns orange, he starts to rev his engine – Vroom – Vroom – Vroom.  Well…. This is a Yaris – more like vrim,vrim,vrim.  When the light turns green, there’s a chirp – a little squeal of rubber.  The Yaris leaps forward about two feet – and dies!!  😆

My window is open.  I roar with laughter, and shout, “He stalled it!”  He must have heard me, because I got a V-peace sign waved out his window.  He quickly got it relit and soon we are both cruising at 70 again. I stayed in the curb lane for another two miles, until I reached one of the Region’s infamous roundabouts.  In fact, this particular rotary has the record of the most sideswipe collisions, caused by fools in the inner lane attempting to exit through the outer lane.  With my eyes firmly fixed on traffic, that’s where I want to be.

On the other side of the roundabout, the curb lane only continues for a block, to another traffic light, where it exits into a plaza, and the road narrows.  Cars are backed up from a red light, almost to the rotary.  I need to get over to the center.  Immediately upon exiting, I signal a lane-change, and slide a lane to my left, coming to a quivering halt inches from a Chevy.

The light changes.  We all move forward. I drive to Costco, and sit in another line to pump gas.

Finally, it’s my turn.  Actually, it’s a double drive-through.  I proceed to the forward pump, and someone pulls in behind me.  I start pumping gas, and all of a sudden – I have a PAKI in my face!

Do you know you cut me off back there at the roundabout?  You pulled in front of me and slammed on your brakes.  I had to stop suddenly.  You didn’t have to do that. You had lots of room to proceed.
ARE YOU CRAZY??
ARE YOU STONED??
ARE YOU ON DRUGS??!

I had lots of room to proceed – if I wanted to pull into the plaza, but that’s not where I wanted to go.  He should have learned a valuable lesson about roundabouts.  The guy in the outside lane gets the best spot.  The nerve!!  The utter gall!!  The absolute arrogance, to accost me (or anyone else) while pumping gas, because traffic didn’t work out the way he wanted it to.  He was in his mid/late twenties, driving a BMW.  I suppose that I should have been generous, and assumed that he worked in IT, but all I could think was, he deals drugs and/or pimps out his sisters and mother.

I know that a soft answer turneth away wrath, but ya wanna know how to really piss someone like this off?  Ignore them!  Show them that they are beneath contempt, and not worth your time or energy.  Doo-de-doo, doo-de-doo, pumping gas, pumping gas.  And they can’t even justify escalating the argument – or so I thought?!

As he started walking away, suddenly he turned back and….
You will pay for this one day.  God will judge you.  You will die and God will punish you for your actions.  You will not go to Heaven.  You know what you have done.
So you’re bringing God into this??  Now I’m scared.
You just keep talking.
No thanks.  You’re doing enough talking for both of us.
God will get you!  You can’t escape His wrath.

I didn’t know that the God business was going so poorly that He had to work part-time as a traffic cop.  When I was finished, I walked over to his car, and said, “Which god??  Vishnu??”
Huh? Wha?? Mmh, aahh…  You will answer to Him!  You can’t escape your fate!

I could make an old-time, Bing Crosby/Bob Hope movie out of this, a two-act comedy titled Road To Costco.  A local driver was recently charged with threatening three other drivers with a gun in one morning.  I’ve never been threatened with God before – at least, not like this.  Have any of you?  😕

 

Definition Of Disbelief

She started off by claiming that Atheism was a faith – an unfounded faith.  Things went downhill from there.

Atheism is not a conclusion based on evidence, and therefore is a faith.  You can’t prove to me that God doesn’t exist any more than I can prove to you God does exist.

Christians (And other religious) insist that a God exists. Therefore they expect Atheists to, just as firmly, insist that no God exists! A slim few Atheists do insist that, and it’s a faith, just as strong, and just as needful of proffered proof, as Christianity.
Most Atheists merely state that they are not convinced by your claims/definitions/description (Or any other such claims) that your particular version exists. No faith is required to feel that you are wrong, deluded, gullible, and/or unconvincing. Proof of strong belief of existence, is not proof of actual existence.

Your first paragraph is accurate.  That most atheists are quiet about their beliefs may be true also.  When it comes to a “feeling” for which “no proof is necessary” you are defending agnosticism, not atheism.  Now you’ve blown off your steam.  Go away.

Agnosticism is about knowledge. I don’t know that no God exists – and don’t make that claim. Atheism is about belief. I do not believe that any definition of God which has ever been presented to me is true, or possible. I accept the label “Atheist,” because it is the most commonly known one. I am actually an Igtheist because I have never heard/read a coherent, convincing definition. Almost every Christian has a different one from every other Christian. They can’t all be right – but they can all be wrong.

Apparently, to Igtheists, the words “go away” have no meaning.

They mean that you cannot, or will not, defend claims that you have made.

I direct your attention to the reality that the most recent pollution of uncomprehending and therefore entirely egregious as well as inaccurate ugliness offered by you as a “comment” has been erased.

I do so to save you the trouble of excreting any more of them, as they will meet the same fate.

LOOOOOVE you, BROOOOTHER.

None too innocent bystander:

You do seem to get cranky when you are shown to be wrong.

I get cranky when I prove myself right and am ignored in favor of small minded persistence is circular and unproductive mutual dissention.

You now qualify for this category, so please take your need to insult and to argue someplace (there are many) where it will be appreciated and responded to in kind, instead of deleted, as it will be if you continue to feel the need to deposit evidence of it here.

Supportive commenter

Regarding to my own experiences, no one is discussing more often about religion than atheists.

I am truly bewildered!! Please explain why you made this comment. Even if it were true…. SO WHAT??! Precisely what are you attempting to imply – and what, if anything, does it have to do with this discussion??

To commenter

This idiot doesn’t even deserve your spit. He denigrates, you praise. He dithers, you act. He destroys, you build. Ignore him.
Michael, my friend: You will have received notification of a second reply from this parasite ~ I trashed it, no need to waste your time communicating with someone who only wants to argue. Just keep up with your wonderful work ~ you are very loved.

To me

It’s bad enough you afflict me with your vapid negativity. Please refrain from verbally assaulting my readers. One more time for the very. Very stupid:

GO.

AWAY.

If you go out in public, people will see your warts!  This is a public forum.  If you don’t want public discussion, do as other frightened Christians do, disable comments, or do as you did above, and delete any that you don’t agree with or don’t like!
BTW:  I didn’t ‘assault’ your reader.  I asked a respectful question to gain understanding.

That’ll teach those rascally Atheists and other questioning non-believers!  Just delete any comments that you don’t like, and can’t refute.  Justify it by calling them hateful.  BTW: While you were busy going all Cancel Culture, you forgot to call Atheists, “Woke.”  The level of vituperation was just astounding.  Hell hath no fury like a Christian scorned.  🙄

 

Objectively Speaking

There are no objective morals, but there are ethics that work well with civilization and we should follow them for our benefit and the benefit of others.

So, your argument is that there are no objective moral standards, that we each conduct ourselves according to our own desires at the moment.  Presumably you want people to treat others with respect, the way you do, right? Why should anyone do that?

Let’s ignore “morality”, because it’s a concept invented by the religious, particularly, recently, by the American ‘Christians,’ but about the specifics of which, no two Christian groups totally agree with each other, and go with the Secular Humanist concept of The Greatest Good For The Greatest Number, which benefits the individual, their society, and the human race at large, and which is empathetically NOT according to our own desires at the moment.  If you don’t want the greatest good for the greatest number I don’t even want to know why not, just a previous warning. If you want to know if slavery is immoral – ask a slave.

What an original thought! The dictatorship of the wise and just majority. The majority won’t enslave anyone. That’s never happened before.

Yep! We will just declare the majority our god and take a poll every time we need to make a decision about anything.

Do Secular Humanists agree about everything? Does any large group of people? Would it not be a miracle if they did? Would it be a good miracle? Without some sort of basis for judging the matter, how would we know? Because everyone is in agreement? Would that be it?  I can explain why something is right and why something is wrong. Do you have an answer? Nope! All you do is make unsupported assertions.

Oh dear!!  You do seem to expend considerable time and energy, putting words into other people’s mouths.  Us ignorant Atheists, Agnostics, Humanists, and Secularists don’t declare anything to be God(like).  There is no compulsion – which far too many Christians ignore, anyway – but you are expected to think for yourself to make informed self-interest decisions.

Perhaps you have heard of Secular Humanism under its other name – Representative Democracy and Rule of Law.  It is the absolutely worst system of governance – except for every other one.  You might give it a try.  A few minor, unimportant World Nations have, and surprisingly, it seems to work.

This is where the populace selects wise and capable leaders.  They tell them what they want their country to look and act like.  They trust their elected officials to deal with the BIG moral issues, like assault, theft, and murder.  They know that the legislature will enact laws to forbid certain acts and actions, and provide penalties for those who do.  That way there’s no need for a referendum for every moral decision.  The answer to the basis of right and wrong, is mutually-agreed-on enacted laws.

Sadly, far too many Good Christians fail to join in.  They clog up divorce courts, rehabilitation clinics, and prisons.  Per capita, there are ten times as many Christians in penitentiaries, than Atheists.  In States like California, Nevada, New Mexico, and Texas, every second inmate is named Jesus.

This then leaves individuals free to personally judge the finer moral points, like….  Should my bodily autonomy be violated, and I’m forced to carry a fetus to full term, if I’m told that I must, by a priest with no ovaries, or wife who has them??

Should I hate fags and homos, if ordered to do so by a priest/preacher who is raping altar boys??
Should I take marriage advice from an unmarried priest??
Should a priest (Who isn’t supposed to be having sex) be allowed to dictate how, when, how often, what position, whom I may – and may not – have sex with??

Why do you look at the mote that is thy brother’s eye, but do not see the plank that is in thine own eye?  👿

Smitty’s Loose Religious Change

Actually, there’s not much change left.  The God-botherers want it all dropped in the collection plate.

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” – Epicurus circa 300 BCE

The God of the Old Testament is a vindictive, bloodthirsty, misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capricious, malevolent bully.

  1. If God exists, God is perfectly loving.
  2. If God is perfectly loving, then God is always open to personal relationship with finite persons.
  3. If God is always open to personal relationship with finite persons, then if any person fails to believe in God, it must be because they are resisting God.
  4. Therefore, if God exists, there are no nonresistant nonbelievers.
  5. There are nonresistant nonbelievers.
    Conclusion:
  6. Therefore, God does not exist.

The Roman Catholic Church is losing followers faster than Donald Trump.  In mid-July 2022, Pope Frank came to western Canada to make nice to the Indigenous natives, apologize for the Church’s past actions, and hopefully get more paying people in the pews.

I saw a televised interview with the Bishop of Regina, talking about Papal Bulls.  At first, I thought he meant that His High and Mightiness was doing some trick-riding at the Calgary Stampede, using techniques he’d learned in Brazil.

He started babbling about how the Pope was going to issue a Papal Bull, officially rescinding previous Papal Bulls on the Discovery Doctrine, and colonization, like this first one, below, to build bridges, and bring the relationship between the Church, and the Canadian Indigenous, more in line with current social conditions.

AD 1493; Pope Alexander VI issues a papal bull or decree, “Inter Caetera,” in which he authorizes Spain and Portugal to colonize the Americas and its Native peoples as subjects. The decree asserts the rights of Spain and Portugal to colonize, convert, and enslave. It also justifies the enslavement of Africans.

The interviewer asked if this document was in process right now.
Well, no.  Not yet.
When could we expect it?
Well, he didn’t exactly know.
Turn around and face the other way, Bishop.  It’s hard to understand you when you’re just talkin’ outta yer ass!
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Overheard on the Interwebz

Human beings eat meat and vegetable matter.  Vegans don’t eat meat, just vegetation.  If the Big Bang created humans, it wouldn’t have known what we would eat, so it couldn’t have created anything for us to eat – therefore, God created us, because only He would know what we would eat.

I don’t know how anyone could be this dumb, and not be on life-support.  The Big Bang was an occurrence, it isn’t/wasn’t A Thing, and it didn’t create human beings – or anything else.  It was the unfolding of a singularity, into the Universe we now inhabit.  Abiogenesis created the first primitive life forms, and evolution through thousands of intermediate forms, finally produced human beings.  At every step along the way, each form ate meat of some other form and/or vegetable matter.  It was what was available – no planning ahead (or God) needed.

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I live up here in Washington State.  Some of the teenagers do stuff like get their nose pierced, or dye their hair blue.  There aren’t any real Atheists, just people desperate for attention, who claim they are.

Are you related to the fool above??!  There might be the faintest of possibilities for that, if Atheism were visible or obvious.  Unlike having blue hair, or gauged earlobes, Atheists don’t run around with signs, declaring their (lack of) belief, or shouting it in your face.

You won’t know whether I, or anyone else, is an Atheist until you ask, or make some stupid, unsupported claim and get argued with.  My Atheism is not like a trendy jacket that I just put on when I want to impress someone.  It is as much a basic part of me as my name, or my Scottish heritage, and I am far past the teenage – or Christian – need for attention and peer support.

Questioning Christian

He’s only been on WordPress for a month.  His blog-site is definitely Christian, and he has found a bunch that definitely aren’t, so he came up with Five Questions For Non-Believers – how original.  Actually, it was Five Questions for…. You Know.  Wouldn’t say Shit if he had a mouthful, and apparently can’t even type the word Atheist.

1.  Would you say you are Convinced that God or gods do not exist, or simply that you don’t Believe that they do? (Two very different statements. The first applies to Knowledge, the second only to Belief)

1. Yes, to both. I have never been presented with sufficiently convincing evidence to cause belief. I am convinced that God/gods does not exist, in the same way, and to the same degree that I am convinced that fairies, genies, Bigfoot, unicorns and the Loch Ness monster do not exist.  I can not offer Absolute Proof, because a negative cannot be proved, and there is no Absolute proof of anything.

I  usually refrain from admitting that, because some smart-ass Apologist will spin it, use it as a wedge, and claim that I actually know that God exists, and have a little bit of belief.  No, I don’t!!

2. We’re you ever at one time in your life a Believer in God or Gods, and if so… which one or ones? (Mind you, I’m not asking at this time why you left, just did you previously Believe)

2.(Were – not We’re) No! Even 6 and 7 years old in Sunday school, and later in church, I heard pretty stories, but the ones that began, In the beginning sounded just like the ones that started, “Once upon a time.” It wasn’t till I became an adult that I was surprised to find that most others took them seriously.

3. Have you ever had any Experiences that might be described as “spiritual” or “supernatural” that others might see as “experiences with God”? And if so, what did you think of them at the time… and what do you think of them Now? (I apologize for the “3 in 1”. They seem linked to the same question, yes?)

3. No. In a naturalistic universe, I don’t even know how anyone could demonstrate or prove anything Supernatural. Spiritual is a word with too many definitions, and no real meaning.  Most such experiences can be shown to be neurological, or hormonally induced.  Even those that can’t are not justified in having “God” shoehorned in as an explanation.

4. How do you view those who do Believe in God or gods? Are they ‘brainwashed’, ‘stupid’ or just wrong? (I know the first two are ‘loaded’, but I’m looking for your mindset as well as what you perceive ours to be)

4. The more rabid the believer, the more likely they are ruled by desperation and egotism – the belief that they are so important in the cosmic scheme of things that they will not just wink out when it’s all over. It’s the constant fear of inevitable, inescapable, impending death.

“Brainwashed” is a loaded term, but Sunday schools do a great job of constant mental conditioning of impressionable children.  Very intelligent people believe many incorrect, unprovable things – and not all of it is religion.  It is far easier to convince someone of something, than it is to convince them that they are in error about it.  I don’t regard them as “wrong,” but, despite many requests, I still have not been shown proof that they are right.

5. What Evidence or Experience or Arguments would lead you to believe in God or gods generally… or Christianity specifically… if any? (Mind you, I’m not asking “Why you don’t believe”. I’m asking what would lead you to Believe)

5. The correct answer is, “I don’t know.” Arthur C. Clarke said, “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” The Christian God – the God of the Bible – suffers from so many definitional contradictions as to be impossible.  Were He to exist, He would be an immoral asshole.  Richard Dawkins had 14 rather scathing adjectives for Him.  If He exists, He knows exactly what it would take to convince me that He exists.  Since He has failed to present such evidence for over 2000 years, either He does not exist – or – He is far less concerned with my acceptance of your claims than people like you are.  😯

Give Us Barabbas

Beneath my What If? What If? What If? post, Barabbas himself became an Apologist For Jesus, and left this extended comment.

Allow me to apologize for my brothers. I believe God gives every person a choice to believe or not. I’m not responsible for your choice and though it saddens me, I must respect your choice. May God meet you where you are and draw you to Himself “with chords of kindness” not clever or manipulative arguments or threats of eternal punishment. Have a wonderful day and again, I apologize for my fellow Christians that may have pushed too hard and far without respecting your freedom. – Barabbas

One:  Do not apologize for others.  It only highlights their misdeeds, mistakes, and contradictions.  It also makes both of you appear weak and needy.  Be honest.  Only apologize for your own errors.

Two:  Do not ever label my disbelief as merely a choice!  Never have I suddenly just chosen to be a petulant, rebellious asshole.  My Atheism is as fundamentally part of my being as my gorgeous brown eyes.  I have been an Atheist longer than you have been alive.  I got that way, not through choices and options, but by observing Reality as it presents itself to me.  The reality is, I see no God/gods.

Three:  A little convincing evidence of the existence of your specific God, and that you are somehow privy to what He/She/It/They will and will not do, would be a lot more useful than your vaguely-expressed wish and hope that someday – somehow – your Reality-impaired pet entity, will finally show up to see me, and validate all your unproven assumptions.

There was a reason that saccharine was banned.  Your ‘all sweetness and light and love and kindness’ delivery is, perhaps, a little less grating than those Apologists who promise me Hell and eternal damnation if I don’t agree with them.  At least they have the courage of their convictions, and are not afraid to express them.  Yours is cloying, and sickly sweet.  I feel religious diabetes developing.

Four:  Are you in the church choir, or should the line read, “with cords of kindness”?  You promised me no tricks or threats, but that sounds suspiciously like church BDSM – a little God bondage.  😳

Five:  You must lead a sheltered life, if you think that Mr. Torpedo-Victim did more than ruffle my hair.  I have engaged with Bible-thumpers who would have him for breakfast.  I feared none of them on a philosophy and logic basis.  The only reason I have hung back from some, is the modern, technological concern about flaming, hacking and doxxing.  Some of those good, loving, Christians quickly forget that ‘turn the other cheek’ command, when their beliefs are refuted.

Online Christian debaters give me as much freedom as I give them.  I allow them every opportunity to make foolish, irrational claims, and they let me point out the errors in their arguments, and make fun of their presentations.  See, everybody has fun.  👿

Dr. Who’s Questions

The Doctor (He doesn’t say, ‘of what.’) claims that he just wants to ask some respectful questions of Atheists – no trick or gotcha ones.  He wants to amass the information, and sift and sort it, to produce a published report.  When asked when he might submit it, and to whom, he was delightfully vague.

He and his wife were Atheists, until each of them had a revelation from the Christian God, and they became Jews For Jesus.  His questions natter on and on – and on, full of presuppositions and leading statements.  Another blogger graciously simplified the list, although I included part of his number six, for context and clarity.  I thought I’d have a go at them.

  • Is Your Atheism Based on Study or Experience? …

Yes!, to both.  As young as seven or eight, I regarded stories that started with “In The Beginning” to be no more believable than those that began, “Once Upon A Time.”  I didn’t realize until I became an adult myself, that other children, and adults, took them seriously.  I became curious enough to begin a long-term investigation.  I spent a great deal of time looking at arguments for or against God’s existence, and eventually had to conclude that there just wasn’t any evidence for God that stood up to examination.

  • Do You Have Purpose and Destiny? …

Yes.  I have had many ‘Purposes,” and will probably have more before I die, but each of them was created and affixed by me, or those close to me, not by some supernatural entity.  I believe that I have a destiny.  It’s just that I am not enough of a fortune-teller to see far enough into the future to get a clear glimpse of what it might be.

  • Does God Exist? …

This might seem a strange question to be asking of Atheists.  In the original long-winded version, he wanted Atheists to provide total, complete, 100% proof, that there was absolutely no chance that God exists.  This is the philosophical equivalent to home invasion.  There are almost no things that can be utterly proved not to exist.  He appeared to want a tiny gap, where he could wedge his definition of God into.  I consider the possibility of God existing, only slightly more likely than the existence of a married bachelor.

  • Can Science Explain the Origin of Life? …

Science has explained the origin of life!  There is one major, largely-accepted (by biologists and related scientists) theory, and a couple of minor variations.  They all entail the chemical soup present in early Earth seas, with geothermal energy and solar radiation fueling and mutating the chemical reactions, until self-replicating RNA strands evolved upward to cells and DNA.  All that free energy powered the increasing DNA complexity.

  • Have You Questioned Your Atheism? …

Constantly and continuously!  I have never been convinced that I can’t be wrong.  Over the years I have done considerable reading and study.  Now, with YouTube, I can watch debates and lectures.  Atheism is merely the lack of belief in God/gods – the failure by theists to provide sufficiently convincing evidence.  (See above) With all the research and investigation that I have done, I continue not to be convinced that God is guilty of existing.

  • Are You Materialistic? …
    Are you completely materialistic in your mindset, meaning, human beings are entirely physical, human consciousness is an illusion, and there is no spiritual realm of any kind?

First, a pedantic language lesson, I think that phrasing should be ‘are you a materialist?’. ‘Materialistic’ refers to someone who prioritizes obtaining money and possessions!  I believe that humans, and all else within our Universe, are material.  I don’t think it makes much sense to say that consciousness is an illusion.  I think a more accurate phrasing of the materialist position on consciousness would be that it’s the product of material things/physical laws.  I continue to see no evidence of a spiritual realm of any kind, except in the hopes and dreams of the gullible.  I do not believe in tarot, Ouija boards, crystals, ghosts, mind-reading, fortune-telling, or a miracle-producing God.

  • Would You Be Willing to Follow the God of the Bible?

It depends which part of the Bible you’re talking about when you say ‘God of the Bible’.

From reading the earlier part of the Old Testament, I remember a god laden with petty jealousy, orchestrating hideous mass deaths, with archaic views on rape and slavery and some strange gaps in his scientific knowledge. The existence of this god would be bad news.

In the later part of the Old Testament, I glimpsed a different and better kind of god; the god of Ezekiel 18 and similar passages, expecting us to take personal responsibility but also willing to see our virtues and our efforts and to judge us fairly. The existence of this god would be good news, and, yes, I would follow and honor him.

In the New Testament, we get the most hideous god of all; the one who condemns all non-Christians to an eternity of torment, who blames the Jews for sticking to the laws that He himself strictly instructed them to keep to forever, who expects us to overlook the ways he acted back in the early books, and who tries to convince us that all these things are really signs of great love and concern on his part. The existence of this god would be terrible news. And, to answer the question, I could never honor such a god, and while I suppose I’d follow him because ‘Or burn in hell’ isn’t really much of an option, it would never be willingly.